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Monday, November 24, 2014

Student rally in support of Gaza

Evan Sahagian/Collegian

Approximately 30 people gathered on the steps on the Student Union chanting “Not another nickel, not another dime, no more money for Israel’s crimes” yesterday evening to show their solidarity with Gaza.

Using the top of the stairs as a stage, attendees delivered speeches and sang songs about what they said is a need to end the violence in the Gaza region. Many people also spoke about the need to end what they viewed as the occupation of Palestine.

“I’d like to point out that, as well as Palestinians being innocently killed on Gaza land, there are Israelis being killed innocently as well,” said junior Dema Hakim into the megaphone yesterday. “This is a direct result of the Israeli occupation and oppression in Palestine. You are losing your own people.”

As the president of the Arab Students Club, Hakim was one of the organizers of the rally.

“We felt as the Arab Students Club, we had to take a stand with our people back home,” said Hakim, who noted that she was pleased with the attendance at the event.

Hakim has followed what has been happening in Gaza over the past six years, and she said that for her, the recent Israeli airstrikes into the region were the last straw.  She said that she hopes that raising awareness in the United States will help to end the unrest.

“None of it is right,” she said. “It’s not a war, it is a massacre.”

Rally in Solidarity with Gaza from Daily Collegian on Vimeo.

Others at the rally talked about the killing of children – a consequence of the conflict that has been heavily reported on by media outlets – and the United States’ support for Israel.

“This is our money that is supporting Israel,” said Mount Holyoke sophomore Nikita Mitchell.

While upset about the influence of American money in the conflict, Mitchell said that was not her reason for attending the rally.

“I’m here because I don’t think people should die,” she said. “It’s simple, very simple.”

Emotions were charged at the rally, with small groups of people gathering at the fringes of the rally to debate the issue.

One such person was UMass student Roy Aloni, who is Israeli. For the most part, Aloni quietly watched the rally, but when anyone engaged with him, he would offer his opinion on the situation.

“I believe these people are ignorant,” he said. “This issue is way more complicated than they make it out to be.”

Aloni does not view the current situation in the region as an occupation, but said that he had given up on convincing others at the rally to see things his way.

“I just don’t know what to say to them because it’s not going to help,” he said.

After the sun set, attendees at the rally – which included both Five College students and members of the community – lit candles while continuing to engage in songs and chants that demonstrated their support for Palestinians. The rally dissolved about 5:45 p.m.

It lasted for approximately one hour and 15 minutes.

Since the conflict flared up earlier this month, several rallies have sprung up in the Valley to support both sides of the conflict. On Friday, a similar rally took place on the steps of the Student Union, although at that rally supporters of Israel “almost outnumbered” those supporting Palestinians, according to Hampshire College student Madeline Burrows, who is a part of the Western Mass Coalition for Palestine.

Over the weekend, there was a march in Northampton from Lampron Park to the steps of city hall to support Palestinians.

Students at Hampshire College are organizing a teach-in for next week, according to Burrows, who noted that this is only the beginning.

Katie Landeck can be reached at klandeck@student.umass.edu.

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40 Responses to “Student rally in support of Gaza”
  1. hm says:

    “what they viewed as” the occupation of Palestine? i’m sorry, is there something else this can be viewed as? i was under the impression this was a well-understood and not at all controversial description of the situation… israel controls territories full of non-citizens, through military force, who do not have equal self-determination or a national authority of their own. in what sense is this not an occupation and if it isn’t then what is an occupation according to the editors of the collegian?

  2. Ben Taylor says:

    To Aviv Bresler: your claims of ‘bias’ are highly problematic. You claim that Israel is only interested in peace, yet this is a lie. Israel is interested in the ongoing colonization of Palestinian land, and the ethnic cleansing of the people of Palestine. Look at this map: http://www.leedspsc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/israel-palestine-map.jpg and tell me that Israel is only interested in peace. And while you claim that Israel has the right to defend itself, Israel’s leaders are much more honest about their intentions:

    Israel’s Interior Minister Eli Yishai: “The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages, only then will Israel be calm for the next 40 years.”

    Gilad Sharon, the son of former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon: “THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences… We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire.”

    Israel Katz, the country’s transport minister, has called “for Gaza to be bombed so hard the population has to flee into Egypt.” While Avi Dichter, the minster of home front defense, has urged the IDF to “reformat” Gaza – to wipe it clean with bombs.

    Even religious leaders joined the fray, with a prominent Israeli rabbi, Yaakov Yosef, the son of former chief rabbi, Ovadia Yosef, in a sermon at the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron blessed IDF soldiers while urging them “to learn from the Syrians how to slaughter the enemy.”

    Israel does not want peace, Israel wants a bloodbath. If you want to blame racism for the ongoing conflict, look at what lies Israel teaches it’s own children.

  3. David Hunt '90 says:

    What occupation?

    Israel LEFT Gaza. How did the Palestinians reward this? By electing Hamas – SWORN TO DESTROY ISRAEL – to power, and allowing their entire area to be used as a missile base.

    Hamas sites missiles near mosques and schools, uses hospitals as ammo depots, and parades faked pictures and videos as propaganda eagerly lapped up by the anti-semites in this country.

    Since 1948 the Arabs have waged wars against Israel with one goal: total obliteration of Israel and the Jews within. Hamas’ charter calls for the death of every Jew.

    Debunking the Palestine Lie
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U

    Fatah, that “moderate” organization, names streets and squares after terrorists who kill Jews. They fete and hail as heroes people who kill Jews. Imagine if a state named a street James Earl Ray street after the man who killed MLK Jr… or a city named a square “Timothy McVeigh Square”. Yet Fatah does this routinely, and they’re considered MODERATE.

    The Fakestinians only want one thing: A Jew-free Israel. They will lie, cheat, and put their own children in the line of fire to create a tragedy that you “useful idiots” eat up – because, deep down, you hate Jews.

  4. Arafat says:

    Is this sort of like rallying in support of Nazis?

    Seems to me it is.

    Nazis destroyed Jews. Hamas never stops talking about destroying Jews. Nazis depicted Jews as beneath contempt just as Hams does. Nazis blamed Jews for all their problems and so does Hamas.

    Seems to me the only difference is Hamas does not have the rocketry required to really kill the Jews. If they did have these weapons everyone knows they would use them as indiscriminantly as the Nazis did.

  5. Arafat says:

    Ben Taylor, riddle me this.

    Why is it Muslims are free to violently conquer lands anywhere and everywhere
    without a word of protest from American Muslims, or any Muslims for that
    matter, but if Jews have a legally established homeland Muslims will never stop
    protesting against it? Why is this do you suppose? What explanation can be
    given other than as the Qur’an states repeatedly that Islam’s goal is to
    establish a worldwide caliphate in which all non-Muslims are subjugated.

    For instance, Mohammed was born around 571 AD thousands and thousands of years
    after Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism existed. But within a few centuries of
    Mohammed’s birth Islam had violently conquered vast sections of Asia, all of
    North Africa and smaller sections of Southern Europe.

    Now Muslims tell us that all this land belongs to them even though, for
    instance, in Afghanistan they killed every last Buddhist who once lived there.
    According to Muslim logic per Israel shouldn’t this land belong to the
    Buddhists?

    Or in North Africa all the Berbers have been forcibly converted to Islam or
    have been killed and now we’re told all this vast landmass belongs to Islam.
    That’s interesting, if not completely hypocritical. And what about Southern
    Thailand. Did anyone know that in the last several years something like 5,000
    Buddhists have been killed by Muslims because, or so we’re told, the land the
    Buddhists are on belongs to Islam. And Southern Russia? Muslims are
    relentlessly waging a slow reign of terror in Russia because, you guessed it,
    Russians are treating Muslims poorly and they should give up the Southern
    section of that country to Muslims.

    Or, let’s take Sudan as another example. How many millions have been killed in
    Sudan? How many babies and children have starved in Sudan while Islamists steal
    the food from aid compounds? How many women have Muslims gang-raped in Sudan
    all because that land belongs to Muslims and only Muslims. All other people can
    go somewhere else to live, I guess.

    And Kashmir? The same. Despite Hindus having lived there for 3,000 years –
    something like 2,000+ years before Mohammed was born – Muslims tell us Kashmir
    belongs to them. Amazing logic isn’t it?

    And that brings us to Israel. Israel also belongs to Islam. Did you know that?
    It’s true. Even though it’s no bigger than a small pimple on the caliphate’s
    ass it is still their land and they will fight to the death to prove their
    point.

    Doesn’t the logic here make a lot of sense. Isn’t it as clear as day? Of course
    it is. The world belongs to Islam and we’re mere players on their stage.

  6. The Juggernaut says:

    Your home is here, in the US. If not feel free to go back and support those in your home…

  7. oy says:

    did she just reference borat when she talked about troll heads?

  8. Ben Taylor says:

    Dear David Hunt,

    You are a racist.

    All the best,
    -Ben Taylor

  9. David Hunt '90 says:

    Juggernaut – I agree. All these Palestinian-lovers should move to Gaza, where the gay ones can be stoned to death, the women who refuse to wear a veil can be harassed and raped, etc.

  10. Reality Check says:

    Hey, you do know there’s a difference between Hamas and innocent Palestinian civilians – including children – killed by Israeli airstrikes, right?

    Wait, what’s that I hear you say? “The Palestinians elected Hamas, so they are guilty of supporting Hamas; thus Israel is justified in killing Palestinian civilians”? Hmmm, I seem to remember hearing that kind of argument before… where was it… oh yes!

    I remember:

    “You may then argue that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake. But this argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want… So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates… This is why the American people cannot be innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.”
    — Osama Bin Laden (2002)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    So, congratulations! By supporting Israel’s actions against Palestinian civilians, saying that even civilians are guilty of endorsing Hamas, you are using EXACTLY the same logic Osama Bin Laden used to justify the 9/11 attacks against American civilians.

    Killing civilians as punishment for crimes they did not commit, under the excuse that they support the people who did commit the crimes, is called “collective punishment” and it is considered a WAR CRIME under international law.

  11. Dr. Ed Cutting says:

    It seems that the Palestinian students at an Israeli university were having a similar rally today. And the sirens went off because of incoming missile from Gaza. And can we say irony?

    Yep, the Palestinian students had no problem taking refuge in a Jewish bomb shelter. They actually ran rather quickly towards it.

    Israel is going after rockets, which are hid in civilian areas, but they are going after the ordinance. Hamas is going after the civilians — and not just the Jewish ones — in Israel. There is a big difference in this….

  12. David Hunt '90 says:

    Dear Ben Taylor:

    You are a traitor.

    David

  13. David Hunt '90 says:

    Reality Check:

    Hamas sites weapons launchers in school yards, endangering children. That is a WAR CRIME.

    Hamas stores weapons in hospitals, mosques, and individual homes. That is a WAR CRIME.

    Hamas deliberately targets civilians to cause maximum damage. They CELEBRATE when Israelis are killed; they CELEBRATED the attacks on 9-11. They want genocide of Jews.

    Israel has carried out over 1000 airstrikes and ONLY killed 70-odd people? They actively warn people away from planned targets, and Hamas rushes people into the line of fire. Israel tries to warn civilians away while Hamas wants dead civilians to parade to useful anti-Semites like you.

    The fact that you cannot differentiate between Israel and Hamas, but even take Hamas’ side, makes you a moral cripple unable to differentiate right from wrong. Because to differentiate means you have to choose, to discriminate. So to show how “enlightened” you are, you MUST choose evil because to choose good would put you at risk with your fellows.

    Regurgitating the Apple: How Modern Liberals “Think”
    http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/regurgitating-the-apple-how-modern-liberals-think

    My condolances on your cognitive handicap, you sloped-forehead Fascist.

  14. David Hunt '90 says:

    Dr.Ed:

    You’re arguing with moral cripples here.

    Hamas deliberately targets civilians; Israel tries to warn them. Hamas celebrates when Israelies are killed. And it has, as its foundational document, a call to exterminate – that’s EXTERMINATE – every Jew.

    I wonder what the nattering nabobs here would feel if I said “Each and every supporter of Hamas here, I will hunt you down and kill you.” (rhetorical device, I have no such intention)

    But can you imagine if I announced, day after day, my plan to find these individuals and kill them? Can you imagine the fear if, someday, one of them actually did die a violent death, then another, then another?

    Hamas wants Israel scraped clean of Jews. Period. When someone’s base position is “I want each and every one of you DEAD!” what do you do with that? Offer up half of your population, hoping they might be sated?

    These people live fat, dumb, happy lives… they never wonder what might happen the next time they go to a bus stop, or a pizza parlor.

    My wife IS a Muslim. And one day, at the apartment complex we lived in, we saw a woman and man – the woman in a fulll Niqba. My wife, who grew up in a Muslim-majority country, who KNOWS FIRST HAND what they can and will do, gripped my arm in fear and said “Oh my G-d, they’re here! I’m afraid!”

    Later, at her retail job, two women in full robes stopped by her store. Her first thought – not “Wow, more sales!” but “What weapons are they hiding?”

    No, Dr. Ed, these useful idiots are being played, just like they got played by the Soviets. They are, at their heart, Oikophobes, hating and fearing their own civilization and culture and country so much they’ll take the side of those who have sworn to destroy it over those who are fighting to save it.

  15. David Hunt '90 says:

    Hamas’ media arm CELEBRATED the recent Tel Aviv bombing that intentionally targeted civilians. Hamas supporters handed out candy, like they did after a shooting in a Jewish school, like they did after 9-11.

    Those who support Hamas in this matter SIDE WITH terrorists. Those who support Hamas in this SIDE WITH war criminals. Those who support Hamas ARE MORAL CRIPPLES and ANTI-SEMITES who side with people who want to perpetrate another Shoah (Holocaust).

  16. billz says:

    I don’t think anyone really thinks the Palestinian’s are the good guys here. It’s really all about people hating Jews and justifying the Palestinian’s terror attacks. If you think differently, you’re in denial.

  17. Reality Check says:

    Who is David Hunt talking to? I don’t see anyone here supporting Hamas. Saying that Israel is carelessly killing innocent civilians, or even committing war crimes, is NOT the same thing as supporting Hamas. Just like, for example, criticizing the use of torture in Guantanamo (which is also a war crime) is not the same thing as supporting Al-Qaeda.

    Of course Hamas is evil. But Hamas is also, at the moment, hopelessly outgunned and powerless to enact its plans. All they can do – all they ARE doing – is firing crude, laughably inaccurate rockets into Israel, and keeping their fingers crossed that they’ll hit something. The vast majority of them fail to hit anything.

    An Israeli citizen has a far higher chance of being randomly hit by a truck, or being the victim of murder by a fellow Israeli, than being killed in a Hamas attack. That’s right: Hamas is so pathetically ineffective in its goal of killing Jews that they would literally have more success simply driving cars around in Jewish neighborhoods and hoping for an accident.

    THIS is why the overwhelming military response by Israel is unjustified, THIS is why it’s not ok to bomb Palestinian neighborhoods, destroy their infrastructure, and kill innocent civilians (including many children) as “collateral damage”: because it’s all done to defeat an enemy who is not a real threat. Because if you have to kill 103 Palestinian civilians in a few days in response to Hamas killing less than 40 Israeli civilians ***since 2001***, then you’re overreacting.

    David Hunt, you seem to be one of those people who think that “you’re either with us or you’re a terrorist-supporting traitor.” I suggest you take your paranoid delusions elsewhere.

  18. Arafat says:

    ‘The only religion I respect is Islam. The only prophet I admire is the Prophet Muhammad.’ — Adolf Hitler

  19. Arafat says:

    Richard Dawkins says it outright. One wonders why so few other atheists are speaking out in the same way. Note that he does not hasten to qualify his comment by saying, “Islamic extremism” or “radical Islam.”

    Dawkins: “I’m reasonably optimistic in America and Europe. I’m pessimistic about the Islamic world. I regard Islam as one of the great evils in the world, and I fear that we have a very difficult struggle there.”
    Narrator: “Why is it more problematic than Christianity, for instance?”

    RD: “There is a belief that every word of the Koran is literally true, and there’s a kind of closemindedness which is, I think, less present in the former Christendom, perhaps because we’ve had long – I don’t know quite why – but there’s more of a historical tradition of questioning. There are people in the Islamic world who simply say, ‘Islam is right, and we are going to impose our will.’ There’s an asymmetry. I think in a way we are being too nice. I think that it’s possible to be naively overoptimistic, and if you reach out to people who have absolutely no intention of reaching back to you, then you may be disillusioned.”

  20. David Hunt '90 says:

    Reality Check – where do you live? How about I drive by every few days, give you 15 seconds warning, and fire a rifle shot or two through the walls of your house? If I don’t hit anyone, do you have a right to complain?

  21. Reality Check says:

    Would I have a right to complain, and do something about it? Yes. Would I have a right to order an airstrike on your house? No.

    And by the way, you forgot to mention that the reason why you fire those shots into my house every few days is in revenge for me killing your cousin, which was in revenge for you killing my brother-in-law, which was in revenge for… etc. THAT is an accurate metaphor of the situation with Israel and Palestine. It wasn’t started by Hamas, or by anyone alive today. They’ve been fighting for over 60 years.

  22. David Hunt '90 says:

    Reality Check: The fact that you cannot make the discriminating choice between a people that fire missiles timed to land when schools get out, deliberately target civilians, and celebrate when civilians – including children – are killed, and whose elected government has as its very foundation document a call to exterminate the other, and the retaliation against those attacks by that other people who have offered, time and again, a homeland in exchange for a true and lasting piece and been rejected each time, makes you a verminous pieces of moral filth… and not worth my time any more.

    May you someday visit Israel and be killed by a Hamas rocket.

  23. Reality Check says:

    Yes, there are Palestinian right-wing extremists who celebrate when children are killed and call for the extermination of the Israelis. But there are also Israeli right-wing extremists who celebrate when children are killed and call for the extermination of the Palestinians. In fact, Ben Taylor posted a number of quotes from such Israeli extremists in the very second comment here. Notice that some of the people who said these things are in the Israeli government…

    Gilad Sharon, the son of former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said:

    “The residents of Gaza are not innocent… We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.”

    Israel Katz, the transport minister, has called “for Gaza to be bombed so hard the population has to flee into Egypt.”

    Yaakov Yosef, a leading rabbi and the son of former chief rabbi, Ovadia Yosef, said that IDF soldiers need “to learn from the Syrians how to slaughter the enemy.”

    Matan Vilnai, the deputy defence minister, said that the Palestinians will “bring upon themselves a holocaust.” (yes, he used the word shoah, normally reserved for THE holocaust)

    Oh, and also, on November 17 there was a riot in the streets of Tel Aviv, where Israeli right-wingers chanted “May your children die, you dogs!”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33067.htm

    Does this represent the opinion of all Israelis? No, not even close. Should all Israelis suffer because they have such madmen in their midst, and in their government? Absolutely not! So why do you think all Palestinians should suffer for the actions and statements of a similar group of madmen in their midst and in their government?

  24. Arafat says:

    The Palestinians would spin George Orwell’s head around.

    They slit Jewish children throats and are cheered by their demented brothers and sisters and leaders and imams for doing so.
    They indiscriminately blow-up Israeli buses and then get streets named after them for doing so.
    They then whine, bitch and complain when Israel builds a separation barrier to protect her children from inhumane psychopaths who are praised for killing three-month old children.

    A sicker more pathological society would be hard for George Orwell to have imagined.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    The Palestinians are professional victims.

    They shoot thousands of rockets into Israeli town centers shouting out “Allahu Akbar” as the rockets leave their launch platforms.
    They shoot thousands of rockets during Israel’s rush hour and when school lets out invoking Allah’s good will that the rockets kill women and children.
    They then whine, bitch and moan when Israel targets their bloodthirsty terrorist rocket-making-and-shooting thugs who cower behind women’s skirts and alongside school children underneath their school desks as they hide from Israel’s attempt to bring justice to these child-murdering-Islamo-facists.

    What a truly pathetic, hypocritical, despicable people the Palestinians are. George Orwell would vomit at the thought that their behavior is rationalized by the intellectual elite.

  25. Margaret Kennedy says:

    It is ironic that so-called progressives support HAMAS, a theocratic Islamist regime that persecutes women, gays, and lesbians, secular Muslims, and anyone who believes in free speech. The terrorists in Hamas are guilty of double war crimes as they launch their rockets from civilian areas of Gaza in efforts to terrorize the Israeli civilian population. Hamas knows that Israel will not sit idly by while millions of Israelis sit in bomb shelters. Israel is compelled to try to stop the rocket fire and makes every effort to avoid civilian casualties. It is incredible that Israel caused such minimal civilian casualties while responding the thousands of rockets launched by the Hamas regime. Hamas tried as hard as possible to get Palestinians injured and killed in order to bring out the sympathies of the useful idiots who sympathize with the so-called “underdog.” The Hamas leadership hates Israelis more than it cares for its won population. That is why it has wasted every opportunity to live in peace with Israeli which left Gaza in 2005. Gaza is occupied by Hamas, not Israel. The Hamas regime spends hundred of millions of dollars in trying wage a war against Israel rather then using this wealth to feed, educate, train, and house the Palestinians. In the seven years since Israel voluntarily left Gaza the Hamas regime has continued to bring death to its own people and neighboring Israel. Shame on the useful idiots in the West, especially those in the Happy Valley, who give moral support to the terrorist Hamas regime. These pious armchair revolutionaries in the Happy Valley are foolishly enabling an extremist regime under which none of them would last five minutes. The pro-Hamas wanabes don’t care about how many Palestinians are killed as the result of the war launched by Hamas.

  26. Dr. Ed Cutting says:

    David Hunt — you need to stop saying Hamas and start saying “Muslim” in your analogies. Hamas wants to kill “Jews” — not members of Bibi N’s political party.

    Of course, I don’t think this is over with all the evidence of more rockets being shipped from Iran.

  27. David Hunt '90 says:

    Dr. Ed: Of course it’s not over.

    Not all Muslims want to kill Jews. My wife is a Muslim and I’m Jewish. Of course, there are times, I’m sure… heh.

  28. David Hunt '90 says:

    Interestingly, Gaza strip residents are now naming children after the Fajr missiles supplied by Iran.

    Hamas TV broadcast “Death to the Jews”.

    Yeah, they want peace. The peace of a Jew-free land.

  29. Arafat says:

    Are people who support Hamas akin to people who supported the Nazis?

    Seems to me they are.

    Nazis destroyed all the Jews of Europe. Hamas never stops talking about destroying Jews.

    Nazis depicted Jews as beneath contempt just as Hamas does. Nazis blamed Jews for all their problems and so does Hamas.

    Seems to me the only difference is Hamas does not have the military required to really kill off all the Jews of Israel. If they did have these weapons everyone knows they would use them as indiscriminately as the Nazis did.

    I wonder what sort of person supports an organization that is today’s Nazis. What moral and intellectual blindness do these Nazi worshippers suffer from?

  30. David Hunt '90 says:

    Arafat:

    Read this. It’ll explain an awful lot:

    Regurgitating the Apple: How Modern Liberals “Think”
    http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/regurgitating-the-apple-how-modern-liberals-think

  31. Brian D. says:

    So… who exactly supports Hamas? I don’t see anyone here doing that.

  32. Brian D. says:

    In fact, I’ve never heard any of my leftist friends and acquaintances doing that. You do realize there is a difference between (a) not supporting everything the Israeli government does and (b) supporting Hamas… right? You do realize that you can criticize the government of a country without being on the side of people who want to kill everyone in that country, right?
    .
    For example, you criticize Obama and the current US government. Does that mean you support people who want to kill Americans?

  33. David Hunt '90 says:

    Brian D: Apples and tangerines. Nice strawman.

  34. David Hunt '90 says:

    One other thing, Brian D. I wonder how many mortars and missiles landing in your hometown it would take for you to respond – militarily – against those doing it… when nobody else does anything.

    I wonder how you’d take it when the entirety of that town attacking yours strip erupts in CELEBRATION when students in a school in your town are gunned down, including street parties, dancing, and handing out cookies and candies.

    This is not just “Hamas” but the entire culture of the Gaza strip.

  35. john says:

    Everytime David hunt enters the conversation it dies.

  36. David Hunt '90 says:

    Awww, poor John. Having to contend with opinions that differ from yours.

    Here, have a lollipop and run home to mommy.

  37. hm says:

    i wonder if the collegian could set up some kind of system where you have to have a umass.edu email address to login and comment, although you could still stay anonymous. i have a feeling it would cut down on a lot of the disgusting racist trolling that happens on articles like this. aging, addled alums and random disgruntled locals need not apply.

  38. txr says:

    David Hunt, suppose you are a Palestinian in Gaza who opposes Hamas. What can you do? Criticize them openly? Then they’ll shoot you. Leave Gaza? No, you can’t. Emigration is very difficult, Egypt won’t let you in, and you’re pretty much stuck there.

    So please, let me know: Is there ANYTHING that peace-seeking Palestinians in Gaza could do to persuade you that they don’t deserve to be shot? I mean, anything that wouldn’t be suicidal in Hamas-controlled territory? I’m gonna bet the answer is no.

    So your kind of attitude is putting Palestinians in the position of choosing between (a) doing things that will make Israel shoot them, or (b) doing things that will make Hamas shoot them. Given those options, what would YOU pick?

  39. David Hunt '90 says:

    hm: “Please, please, please stop those evil, mean, people from saying things I don’t agree with!” Boy, is the “real world” going to come as a shock when you go out to work and diverse people don’t agree with you on all sorts of things.

    You might even find yourself working with – GASP! – a… Republican! Oh, the horror!!!!

    txr: That’s a very good, very penetrating question. Congratualations on your insight. And I’m not sure I know the answer. Let’s assume you are such a person – you very definitely are in the minority, as the streets full of people celebrating dead Jews (let alone celebrating the 9-11 attacks) will testify. What DO you do? I’m open to the discussion.

    The analogy is, in some ways, akin to the USSR (where my wife is from, by the way). Nobody could talk, nobody could criticize, or they’d be disappeared. My wife told me about how a friend of hers said something negative about the Communist party in public; she and her family were never heard from again. My wife’s parents and trusted friends would gather around the radio to listen to the Voice of America in secret – such an act being considered High Treason.

    So in the face of seeming overwhelming support for the continued attacks on Israel, the only thing that comes to MY mind is to VERY SUBTLY try to find like-minded people. At least, that’s a start.

    But I do know this too. Over the last dozen years over 12,000 mortars and rockets have been fired from Gaza. That’s about 3 A DAY. NO OTHER NATION would tolerate this, but would have carpet-bombed the area flat years ago, “world opinion” be damned.

    Hamas’ charter – the charter of the current government of Gaza – calls for the elimination of Israel. So does the Constitution of Fatah, the so-called moderates. If your opposite in negotiations has the starting position of “I want you all dead,” what do you do with that? Offer up half of your population to be killed as a compromise position?

  40. David Hunt '90 says:

    txr:

    One follow-on thought. In the USSR, there were vast numbers of people who disliked the Communist’s rule intensely, but felt isolated because of the lack of freedom to dissent. They went along to survive, but their support of the Communists was lackluster and a mask made necessary by the KGB’s ever-watchful eye.

    The situation in Gaza is, I believe, different. While there definitely are those in Gaza who are not “with” Hamas, the massive demonstrations (e.g., the celebrations of the 9-11 attacks, among many celebrations) are not “going along” but active participation. There isn’t the same potential for a Preference Cascade* in Gaza as there was in the USSR.

    * Preference Cascade http://www.ideasinactiontv.com/tcs_daily/2002/03/patriotism-and-preferences.html

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