First off, nowhere did Alex justify spending money on the Iraq war. You liberals are quick to point fingers at conservatives, call them racists when they don’t agree, and get people riled up, as bad or worse than Rush and Beck.

Fact is, Obama signed the stimulus, said unemployment wouldn’t go above 8% and private sector jobs would be created. And what has happened, the administration lied about created jobs, has made dominantly public sector jobs (notice the tons of highway construction recently?) and unemployment went above 9%, but that doesn’t count the people transitioning to low pay full-time jobs or college students who can’t find jobs, or those that ran out of unemployment benefits.

And while out economy went down the toilet, the promise of the stimulus went unmet and the politicians fretted over healthcare. Very few repubs/conservs said NO to healthcare, they said NO to the bill and wanted alternatives. But of course, liberal media spin only shows the “No” but none of the reasoning. To help out, Cash for Clunkers was a waste that cost 4 times its payout. To top it off, most of the health care bill doesn’t take any effect until AFTER 2012. It is conveinient that we don’t see the “benefits” of this bill until after Obama is up for re-election, although he and the administration say we need it NOW so desperately. Then why aren’t the effects immediate?

Why aren’t we taking care of the economy? They rushed the stimulus and when it hasn’t been working they make excuses instead of solutions, why?

People are stupid enough to think they can get something for free or at the cost of those “evil corporations” and “evil rich people” but fail to realise the costs trickle down. They don’t realise govt. spending is just more beareaucratic waste. But liberals will never believe this. They enacted the economy destroying housing bill created by Dodd and Frank (who still won’t own up to its destruction) to help the poor get housing, but down the road our economy was destroyed because of the housing bill and Fanny and Freddy, and then they bailed out the “too big to fail” banks. I guess it was the humane thing to do, destroy our economy and siphon money into companies clearly incapable of making rational decisions and likelely prevented from making rational decisions under govt. regulation, as long as some “underprivelaged” can get some action.

Thanks Alex for sticking your neck out and pointing out some major flaws of our current administration (that wants to cut emissions but fly all over the world spreading lies) in the midst of Liberalville, Massachusetts. And before the liberals go off on me on how its Bush’s fault, Bush was a bad president but Obama has only continued the Bush Policies and the wars you libbies were so outraged over. But, the mainstream media wouldn’t dare go after a democrat and rather hang a republican.

Alex’s right, Tequan. To be a conservative you have to be hysterically opposed to absolutely everything Obama does without any discrimination between what’s reasonable and what’s ideology. Conservatives don’t use reconciliation, conservatives don’t use congressional majorities, conservatives don’t walk and breath.

Ohhh. Oh wait.

Alex: The most liberal president of all time was FDR, who instituted genuinely socialist programs like social security or the WPA, or Jimmy Carter, who opposed the death penalty, or Abraham Lincoln, who fought slavery. Not Obama, who passed Romneycare and stopped trying to close Guantanamo. Your idea of researching conservative values is typing “Don’t do this” in front of the Democratic party platform and stopping there.

Even real conservative strategists understand that the Democratic majorities were won by running social conservatives like the Blue Dogs and their ilk. That’s how Palin’s minders knew who to put on their gun crosshair chart. Your amateurish drivel hardly reflects true conservative thought.

I challenge you to write a column that isn’t the usual Us vs Them garbage. I challenge you to understand how Democrats and Republicans aren’t two monolithic entities but composed of factions who don’t necessarily agree with each other on all points.

I usually only respond to Alex Perry’s garbage because his columns are the perfect combination of being so awful as to merit a rebuttal but so poorly thought out that it doesn’t take much time to write out my thoughts. Yet again, he delivers.

“Chris- The votes he is trying to get are the votes of the people who lack health care insurance but need it desperately. Obviously its not the full 30M+ because a portion of that 30M+ includes people who just don’t want health insurance.

The plan hasn’t come into full effect yet Chris. Most people haven’t at all benefited from it yet. I’m sure once those people do, a lot of their attitudes will change.”

Here Alex Perry explains how every Republican who isn’t rich is an idiot who votes against their interests and he didn’t even realize it. Let’s dissect:

Alex says that Obama is trying to get the votes of about 30 million people who don’t currently have insurance but desperately need it. Fair enough, it would be in their interest to support the bill and the president who helped pass it.

But, according to Weird Al here, these 30 million or so won’t support Obama until all the health bill provisions kick in. Only after the effects are felt will “a lot of their attitudes change.”

I completely agree with you, Alex. I agree that people who oppose the bill – and who also can’t afford health insurance – are short-sighted morons when they withhold electoral support for (progressive) Democrats. They are too myopic to see that benefits are on the way and were only delayed or watered down because of the Republican “kill the bill” onslaught that accomplished absolutely nothing.

Republicans killed Clinton’s health care reform and then did nothing to fix the system for over a decade despite enjoying a majority in Congress for the entire time. The Democrats then regained a majority but had to finesse a crap bill because of Rahm Emanuel and because the Republicans couldn’t be bothered to flip their calendar past 1994 and realize that the world has changed.

Fortunately for Republican electoral chances, their base (ie not you, Alex, but their racist thralls in the South and Midwest) also doesn’t realize the world has changed. They believe Boehner’s lies about repealing the bill and they’ll scare their children with stories of “death panels.” Yet again, the Republicans will propel themselves towards electoral dominance with the promise of nothing.

Justin:

“I think the key points Alex hit are dead-on: It is expensive, politicking and the promotion of a dangerous ideology that fosters government dependence.”

The US military is expensive, politicking (Support our troops! Also funnel money into my congressional district’s defense contractor!) and promotes a dangerous ideology that fosters dependence on the government to defend us from the terrorists and China. Therefore we should privatize the military. The invisible hand will swat down the nuclear bombs!

Oh wait, you’re just a standard Ayn Randroid who should go to Somalia and learn about true free market capitalism and libertarian government.

I think the key points Alex hit are dead-on: It is expensive, politicking and the promotion of a dangerous ideology that fosters government dependence.

You are not a conservative so please don’t call yourself one. You are just anti- Obama. The only way we can have progress is if we try to see other views instead of just causing dissension. It’s impossible to believe that you as a conservative genuinely disagree with everything Obama does. At this point im sure your goal is to make Obama look bad until next election.

There are three fallacies in the 30M figure: first that there are 30M people who really have no access to medical care and that is not true. They may not have easy access to it, but they do have access – this is not a society where we leave people to bleed to death on the street corners. Nor do we have debtors prisons (other than those of the IRS) for those who are unable to pay their medical bills. The reason why there are so many bankrupcies tied to medical bills is because bankrupcy is how we deal with medical bills exceeding people’s ability to pay. (Instead of a doctor basing his fees on the sick person’s income, we have a bankrupcy trustee doing it.)

Second, not all of the 30M want insurance – many are already eligible for Medicaid and other forms of welfare and refuse it.

And third, how many of these 30M are going to resent being forced to buy the insurance they don’t want. NObama dodged this a little bit buy dropping the age of Medicare by a decade (further bankrupting Social Security) and by requiring family plans to cover children up to age 26 (thus raising the cost of those plans, further increasing the number of employers dropping them), but Gen X gets screwed.

Notwithstanding this, there are three points worthy of note. First, we are going to have an inter-generational “war” and the transfer of wealth from the young to the old is simply not sustainable. When tax rates get to the point they will need to be in order to sustain this stuff, people are simply going to stop working.

Second, the middle will cease to hold. The era of the interest voter is going to expand – even if the 30M were all happy and all voting NObama, there will increasingly be the 30M on the other side saying “time for grandma to die.”

And third, there is simply no way that everyone now forced to purchase insurance will be happy with it. Nor will everyone else – student opinion of Death Services comes to mind. And the backlash on this is going to make Herbert Hoover look like a rock star.